cab4
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Primary Railroads: Conrail, NJ DOT, Amtrak, SEPTA, NJT
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Post by cab4 on Nov 12, 2015 15:28:41 GMT -5
Great info! Where do you get the decals? As always, check the photos, since there appears to be a variety of NJ DOT decal sizes. Prime Mover Decals is the most readily available source of the NJ DOT decals. primemoverdecals.com/dcaltemp.html?code=1&field=NJDOTThe next source for CNJ/NJ DOT decals is Tom's Model Trains. These NJ DOT decals are the correct size for most non-locomotive pieces. He may not have the CNJ passenger car decals in stock, but I would contact him and see what he has. www.tomsmodeltrains.net/tomscnjdecals.htmFor the GP40P, You might need to get creative. In my case, I was doing a Conrail engine, so I was able to squeak by without most of the CNJ GP40P specific decals. If you want to go full CNJ though, you'll need the set by Raritan Hobbies. NOTE: if you get this set for the GP40P, get the TOMS MODEL TRAINS NJ DOT decals. They are the correct size for the GP40P. www.homauchchunk.co.uk/raritan_bay_hobbies.htmI might see Jim Homoki at the NJ RPM on Saturday, so I'll ask him if he has any other sources. Technically, the Empire Builder is Orange/Green. Most people didn't directly photograph the coaches (and post them on the interent). I might have to check my books as well, but here are the cars I know were painted what- Empire Builder Orange/Green:PS 48 seat cars- 102, 116, 117, 134 Great Northern Big Sky BluePS 48 seat cars- 104, 105, 113 AC&F 44 seat cars- Most of them, but no solid Road Numbers AC&F 60 seat cars- 114, 131 Burlington Northern GreenPS 48 seat cars- 107, 108, 110, 118, 130 AC&F 44 seat cars- There is at least one, though the picture is too grainy for a number. I only recognized it because I counted the windows! AC&F 60 seat cars- 129, 133. 129 lacks the conductor window. Which mix of cars did you get? Remember, there were only four 60 seat coaches. Half of them were green! At least half the 44 Seat coaches were blue (I've seen three of the six in one train) None of the Walthers Orange/Green cars are right for a Jersey Builder. You should probably repaint those green. I think most of the 60 seat cars retained that conductor's window, so there is no reason to remove it if it isn't necessary. |
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Post by slowfreight on Nov 12, 2015 21:41:36 GMT -5
What are the differences between the ACF 44- and 60-seat coaches?
And is there a decent model for the PS 48-seat coach?
From your list, I could easily do 114, 131, and probably 129. If I'm repainting, might as well plug the window. I really should have something orange/green to get the look, and if I'm lazy I could always deskirt and restencil the ACF cars just to plug the hole.
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cab4
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Post by cab4 on Nov 13, 2015 8:44:24 GMT -5
What are the differences between the ACF 44- and 60-seat coaches? The most obvious difference is the window arrangement. The 60 Seat cars have fewer but larger windows. Its the PS 48 seat and the ACF 44 seat that look similar to each other. The 44 Seat coaches have metal strips above and below the windows which others do not have. The 44 Seat cars appear to have less "coach" windows in a row than the PS 48 seat coaches. Here is a set of photos of each car type- ACF 60 seat. I'm thinking this one was 129, GN 1139.  ACF 44 seat coach. Note the metal strip. This can usually be spotted in most good photos. This one was CNJ 100, GN 1007.  PS 48 Seat coach. These cars are smooth sided. Its very similar to the ACF 44 seater, and I'm sure some people are using them as "Stand ins".  Other than the previously mentioned car sides, no, not that I know of. Its a pick-your-poison deal. If you go the Brass Car Sides route, you could grind down and re-purpose an AHM Rivarossi car quickly and just stick these sides on, and you're "Done", with a functional car, even if its not perfect where other details are concerned. I'm guessing that the Laser Horizons sides in conjunction with a Pullman TSP Core kit can potentially yield a more accurate car, but then you have to think about getting the trucks, under body and other details. I have one of the Brass Car Sides 'sides', but I'm probably going to go with Laser Horizons in the future. I know the guys at Brass Car Sides were making sides that actually went along with the Walthers core, but so far I think they're only doing 60 seat cars with skirts, without the conductor's window. They have an offer to do the NJ DOT Jersey Builder cars, but they need so many people to commit to buy before they do it. Yeah, I think about that too. I picked up an Empire Builder 60 seat coach myself without looking it all up first. I'd like to make it Green, but then that Empire Builder paint job looks pretty nice, so I might just leave it and hope nobody else notices. |
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Post by backshophoss on Nov 13, 2015 17:07:33 GMT -5
GN's Empire Builder was orange/green when built,went "Sky Blue"/white in the '60's with
modern graphics(lettering),that was short lived,due to the creation of BN and the "Hockey Stick" scheme
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Post by backshophoss on Nov 18, 2015 1:08:28 GMT -5
There was 1 ex-CNJ HW car an OBS from the CNJ's "Blue Comet" that was a Commuter Club car at that time, was on 1 of the Bay Head trains during rush hour. AHM/IHC{Rivarossi) did a run of that car,in CNJ colors, then in NJT Sliver with the "Disco Stripes" NJT bought the car from the Commuter Club,rebuilt it with HEP,became the "Biz" car of NJT's fleet. If there's a model of that car on E(vil)-Bay,Figure on it commanding "Brass Loco" $$$$$  Believe this car might be part of URHS Collection of NJT equipment,after being retired by NJT. |
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cab4
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Post by cab4 on Dec 11, 2015 1:01:00 GMT -5
I have since confirmed a few more cars for a given GN scheme. I won't post the list until its a little more complete, but I did find that CNJ 112 was the ACF 44-seat coach with the BN green. All the rest are blue.
As far as the Walthers cars are concerned, 112 (44 seat), 129 and 133 (60 seat) can be painted in BN Green prototypically. How long they lasted this way isn't clear though. by 78/79, things started showing up in the NJ DOT Bluebird scheme. Finding dates for those will be the next challenge. Some of them even got the full NJ Transit scheme with disco stripes and black window bands, but I don't know the numbers on those.
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Post by slowfreight on May 27, 2016 12:02:13 GMT -5
Here's a quick update. Since making the cross-country move, I picked up a pair of Rock Island 44-seat cars on the cheap. Since we can only confirm one BN green car, I may paint both of them for 112 and make the second one available. Once I'm building one car, two is pretty easy at the same time.
Since I don't know CAD and a few of us need the parts, anyone who is willing to help with designing a Shapeways part that's suitable for the open step traps can potentially find themselves the proud owner of 112 in the broken hockey stick scheme.
Since I still need decals, other combinations of trades are possible...
I have a bead on 2 of the 44-seat cars in blue.
And best of all, work is progressing slowly on the basement, where I can have a layout again and a workbench!
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Post by slowfreight on Jun 27, 2016 8:32:55 GMT -5
Basement progress has been stalled by work on other parts of the house, but I snagged the last 2 cars I needed: ACF 44-seat in blue.
Hopefully Athearn will overproduce the GP40P-2, as then I'll be able to power this thing too.
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Post by backshophoss on Jun 28, 2016 0:50:43 GMT -5
If you go that route,"have fun"removing the extra "jewelry" that SP liked to
hang on their power!
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Post by slowfreight on Jun 28, 2016 23:27:20 GMT -5
If you go that route,"have fun"removing the extra "jewelry" that SP liked to hang on their power! As part of backdating to a pre-dash 2 unit, I would wipe the cab, subbase, and nose anyway. Fuel tank and marker lights will still need to be addressed, but otherwise there's not huge differences between the SP and CNJ units once I Cannonize the front end. |
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Post by slowfreight on Jun 29, 2016 14:07:37 GMT -5
Most people didn't directly photograph the coaches (and post them on the interent). I might have to check my books as well, but here are the cars I know were painted what- Empire Builder Orange/Green:PS 48 seat cars- 102, 116, 117, 134 Great Northern Big Sky BluePS 48 seat cars- 104, 105, 113 AC&F 44 seat cars- Most of them, but no solid Road Numbers AC&F 60 seat cars- 114, 131 Burlington Northern GreenPS 48 seat cars- 107, 108, 110, 118, 130 AC&F 44 seat cars- There is at least one, though the picture is too grainy for a number. I only recognized it because I counted the windows! AC&F 60 seat cars- 129, 133. 129 lacks the conductor window. Which mix of cars did you get? Remember, there were only four 60 seat coaches. Half of them were green! At least half the 44 Seat coaches were blue (I've seen three of the six in one train) None of the Walthers Orange/Green cars are right for a Jersey Builder. You should probably repaint those green. I think most of the 60 seat cars retained that conductor's window, so there is no reason to remove it if it isn't necessary. OK...by the time the dust settled, I'm left with 9 candidate cars for the Jersey Builder. Had I had cab4's excellent rundown here before starting, I would have gone a little less nuts on ebay, but such is life. Based on photos I've collected and what looks cool, the current plan will be to build the following train: AC&F 44-seat cars: 2 GN blue and 1 BN broken hockey stick AC&F 60-seat cars: 1 GN blue, 1 BN broken hockey stick, and 1 EB orange/green foobie This leaves me with the following surplus cars: 1 AC&F 44-seat BN green (to be repainted from Rock Island) 1 AC&F 60-seat GN blue 1 AC&F 60-seat EB orange/brown I intend to repaint both Rock Island cars at the same time, since two is as easy as one. If there's any interest in my surplus cars here, please PM me...the 60-seat coaches have become extremely scarce since Tag Trains finished blowing them out. And if anyone still needs 44-seat GN blue, Trainworld has them--just wait for the 15% off sale. |
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cab4
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Post by cab4 on Aug 15, 2016 20:16:04 GMT -5
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Post by slowfreight on Aug 16, 2016 14:09:02 GMT -5
Thanks, cab4!
Still focusing my efforts on getting the basement finished, but this will be one of my earlier projects after I get the layout reinstalled.
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Post by dlwlirr on Sept 21, 2016 12:25:23 GMT -5
This was the last service to use E-7's in the Commuter power pool,along with some ex -Southern Ry E-8's still in the Green/white/gold Crescent scheme after SR joined Amtrak. They were "patched" as well Also used in the service were a small fleet of E60's from a trade with Amtrak. So I have a question, I created a Jersey Builder of my own in N scale sometime back sans the GP40PH (working on that and using a trainmaster for now to pull it) That said, the possibility of using a patched Southern E8 to pull it is intriging however I have not found any photos of these anywhere (with the NJDOT patch) Several I found just patched over. Do you have a link to one of the patch jobs complete with NJDOT herald? Thank you, Adam |
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Post by backshophoss on Sept 21, 2016 17:26:42 GMT -5
Best bet is go to the RR picture archive. Check thru the NJT or NJTR sections, most of the ex SR E-8's were "quick patched",1 or 2 were given a full repaint. 1 was given the full "Disco Stripe" treatment!  Welcome to the board dlwlirr,hope this helps. |
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