timberley
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Post by timberley on Oct 17, 2016 10:49:19 GMT -5
Some of you may already have heard the news, but figured it should get posted here. When Atlas announced they would be producing the Bombardier ALP45DP and multilevels in HO for New Jersey Transit, many of us hoped they would also produce them for Montreal's AMT, the sole other operator of the ALP45DP (the loco was jointly developed for NJT and AMT), and one of the other major users of the multilevels. Well, Atlas is going to come through! They've got the licensing, and the official announcement will be coming in November. Having these models period was exciting enough, and having them actually done in AMT paint is awesome - that would *not* have been an easy scheme to paint on an undec or stripped NJT model! Here's the brochure they recently released: www.atlasrr.com/pdf/AtlasAMTBrochure.pdf
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timberley
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Post by timberley on Oct 17, 2016 10:54:04 GMT -5
I wonder if somewhere down the line they might consider producing the one-off unit (4500) that was on display at Innotrains before these were delivered. It was painted in a hybrid of the AMT and NJT schemes, had both railroads logos, and also had Bombardier branding. I don't think it ever operated in that scheme (apart from maybe some test runs) and it ultimately ended up as a straight NJT unit, but it's still neat.
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Post by backshophoss on Oct 18, 2016 1:09:00 GMT -5
Atlas must be happy with the pre orders for the NJT models,to announce the AMT models. Innotrains is an European based trade show,the ALDP-45's were built in Germany by BBD, but were considered to HEAVY to run on DB rails. Strange that both couplers were bagged at that show.
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timberley
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Post by timberley on Feb 8, 2017 12:22:00 GMT -5
Atlas has officially announced the AMT models: www.atlasrr.com/commuter/AMT/index.htm#.WJtSGmLR-72I'm not a big fan of the silver paint they've used, in terms of how well it represents the deep stainless steel on the cars, but otherwise they look pretty good! As an aside, I saw from photos at Amherst that Atlas did in fact have a third sample ALP45DP on hand, in the Bombardier Innotrains scheme. That one hasn't been announced yet, but should be coming soon presumably.
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Post by slowfreight on Feb 8, 2017 17:45:31 GMT -5
I wouldn't practice it on one of these cars, but it begs the question of experimentally masking and spraying Alclad on a decorated car. I'd be nervous because you have to get full coverage of a gloss grey before spraying the metallic finish, which would mean at least 3 full layers of paint on the body.
Kinda wishing I could have gone to Amherst...nobody mentioned these on the Atlas rescue forum list of show announcements.
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Post by backshophoss on Feb 8, 2017 19:24:16 GMT -5
Believe the silver color is close to "weathered" Stainless Steel color used by Walters on the 1st and 2nd Superliner runs. Both NJT and AMT normally "wash" the equipment in the spring thru late summer if possible,may look "clean" untill the next run.
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timberley
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Post by timberley on Oct 13, 2017 7:38:13 GMT -5
Well, these arrived this week. I had order a loco, two coaches, and a cab car. I opted not to go with the package set because a) I wanted different road numbers than the set, and b) I didn't want a huge, unwieldy package box for the whole thing - I'd rather have each component in boxes I can store more easily when necessary.
I have to say, my thoughts so far are very positive. The ALP45DP is gorgeous - the paint is crisp and all the little markings are there, the tooling is solid, and the detail is mostly pretty impressive. There are a few things, like some of the underbody detail and the pantographs, that are exceptionally well done. Some other areas leave more to be desired (the scant pilot details, the moulded rad fans). The grab irons being left off the nose is still a disappointment, but the template seems really easy to use and the grabs are all appropriately coloured plastic with bolt-head detail included, so I think they should look good when applied.
I got the silent version (I've been trying to focus on sound for only my main interests - this is more of a side-one) so I can't comment on that aspect, though I'm sure it's supurb (it is ESU afterall). The lighting though looks good, it runs like silk in DC, and it feels like a brick - I only have 3 coaches, but I'm sure it could handle an 8 or 10 car train with no issues.
Now on to the MLVs themselves - they, like the loco, are really beautiful models overall. They roll incredibly well, the tooling is crisp, and the paint is very nice. Yes, the silver is a poor excuse for the real stainless look, but they do look really nice in person. The interior lighting is also quite nice, not too bright at all.
My only qualms with the cars, besides the silver paint, are: -Interiors in beige, not painted (this can be remedied) -gaping space between cars - no doubt to allow tight radius curve operation (may also be remedied with different couplers) -underwhelming end detail -A little on the light side -The AMT versions have the incorrect NJT-style step trap details on the vestibule doors. AMT has these as full height doors with fixed steps inside for low-level platforms. Not sure if this is something that can be fixed without mismatched paint touch-ups.
But over all, there are lots and lots of positives. The cab car is especially nice - the lighting (headlights, ditch lights, and marker lights) are directional in DC, and just stay on fully in DCC unless you add a decoder. This is such a nice thing to have, as anyone trying to modify the Athearn bilevels for lighting knows.
Though they didn't do the proper AMT doors, one thing they did do was install the proper dual-horns on the cab of the locomotive (AMT has two sets on all equipment for redundancy, so they can avoid the requirement to do horn tests in residential areas before starting their morning runs). At first I was disappointed to see that they only put a single set on the cab car, but then I discovered that they in fact included the second K5LA in the box, so you can add it yourself.
So, all in all, I'm really happy with these. They have little issues and I feel like Atlas could have done slightly better, but they seem robust, they run beautifully, and it's still amazing to have models of this modern commuter equipment at all.
I'll take and post some pictures once I have a chance to make a few adjustments (mainly adding the grabs on the front end of the loco).
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timberley
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Post by timberley on Oct 13, 2017 7:43:31 GMT -5
One other interesting thing - this may be the first Atlas release I've seen that had full bilingual (English/French) instructions and documentation included, and the text on the boxes (which are specially decorated in AMT colours) is also bilingual. No doubt they know that the majority of these will be sold in Québec, so the extra effort was worth their time.
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Post by backshophoss on Oct 13, 2017 14:41:53 GMT -5
Timberley,Your review jives with Amtrak 207's review,try using short shank couplers to tighten up the spacing between cars if the layout you run on is 22' radius or more on the curves,if the intention is to run as push-pull,replace the "B" end couplers with KD-118's to keep from couplers "overriding" each other in "push mode" If memory serves,just about everything is done in in both langauges in Canada,including the "Environment Canada" weather radio!
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timberley
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Post by timberley on Oct 30, 2017 8:12:03 GMT -5
Timberley,Your review jives with Amtrak 207's review,try using short shank couplers to tighten up the spacing between cars if the layout you run on is 22' radius or more on the curves,if the intention is to run as push-pull,replace the "B" end couplers with KD-118's to keep from couplers "overriding" each other in "push mode" Yep, I generally found my thoughts to be very much along the same lines as his. No photos yet, as I am waiting to finish installing the grabs on the loco. I got started on this last week, but ran into some issues - notably that the plastic grabs seemed to be pretty fragile, and a couple snapped in half just trying to get them off the sprue! I contacted Atlas and they are sending replacements. If memory serves,just about everything is done in in both langauges in Canada,including the "Environment Canada" weather radio! Yep, nationally there's a requirement for bilingual text on pretty well everything (any products sold, for example). Federal Government services must also be available in both official languages, as required - riding on VIA, for example, all employees must be able to provide service in both languages. Of course beyond that, the only province that is actually officially bilingual is New Brunswick, given that much of the north is almost unilingual French, while the south is more heavily anglophone. Quebec has requirements for all services to be offered in French, but no bilingual English requirement.
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