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Post by acelaphillies on Feb 5, 2013 18:41:27 GMT -5
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Post by antoniofp45 on Feb 6, 2013 19:24:28 GMT -5
One of my favorite class of commuter trains that I watched as a kid was the Budd M1 trains that ran on the Long Island Railroad. To me, then, they were oversized subway cars that ran quietly and the coolest looking trains in the world (ah, the eyes of a child). It wasn't until I was an adult, visiting NYC, that I finally got to ride one, which was a smooth and enjoyable ride.
Seems that since commuter rail is becoming more common and popular in the U.S, it stands to reason that there will be "new" model railroaders interested in this aspect of the hobby. Hopefully that will provide an incentive for manufacturers to consider producing RTR commuter equipment.
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Post by backshophoss on Feb 6, 2013 20:53:38 GMT -5
Walters and Athearn have done Commuter cars in the past,Kato has current production on METRA Bi-Levels,unknown if Walters will redo the BBD Comet/Horizen fleet cars The Athearn cars are 2nd gen BBD bilevel cars used by METROLINK(SCAX),TRE,NMRX,CalTRAIN(JPBTX),COASTER,etc..
Most Commuter equipment was downgraded from "front line" passenger trains-Pick up some older models at the "Swap meet" or show,rework as needed,and put 'em in service.
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Post by mgwsy on Feb 7, 2013 17:10:38 GMT -5
I would love to get an 8 car set of M2/ M4/ M6 cars used by Metro North on the New Haven line but no one makes a good set. I have been waiting for IHP to make them someday but no luck there and the ones from IWM are not only discontinued but didnt come with all the necessary parts to make the cars.
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Post by backshophoss on Feb 7, 2013 19:37:48 GMT -5
IHP uses the Life-Like/PROTO 1000 RDC drives to make a powered model the current molds they are using are worn out,creating the replacements is NOT cheap!
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Post by liengineerbob on Feb 9, 2013 19:01:23 GMT -5
Sadly, I feel you will never seen much in the way of take it out of the box and run it commuter models produced. The variations in equipment between commuter agencies, even within the same agency is vast.
There really is no "standard" piece of commuter equipment when you start to look into the details. Most (I didn't say all.....there are exceptions) commuter locos are rebuilds of some type, or one off type locomotives, captive to a particular agency or area of the country, not lending themselves to many roadnames option for the manufacturer.
Athearn tried with the F59PHI, but in the end wound up making many fantasy roadnames just to sell more models.
What else is there, the F40PH.....even those did vary from agency to agency in details. The MP36PH-whateveryouwanttocallit hasn't shown up yet.
Correct cars are another story all together.
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Post by backshophoss on Feb 9, 2013 23:33:30 GMT -5
TLT Finally released the MP-40 in HO for GOT up in Canada,announce's the MP36's for NMRX,Caltrain,METRA,shows off the test shots,but NO model. Kato made the MP-36's in N scale Walters has rereleased the F-40's in HO
Most modelers wind up "creating" a stand in using a F-7 with HEP pack instead of a steam generator or a "close enought" model (examples,FP-45 for SDP40-f,GE U-36c for U34ch)
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Post by cab4 on Feb 10, 2013 9:36:36 GMT -5
IHP uses the Life-Like/PROTO 1000 RDC drives to make a powered model the current molds they are using are worn out,creating the replacements is NOT cheap! Actually, IHP has its own drives, which use a vertically oriented motor to drive one truck. IMW still encourages the use of a RDC drive to run the models.
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Post by backshophoss on Feb 11, 2013 23:37:49 GMT -5
OOPS,Got those two mixed up,but we're all human.
Bachmann has a Bi-Level coach in their line up, in production,but not sure what it was based on It could pass as a C-3 coach, NJT Multi,or a MARC bi-level coach.
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Post by ihphobbymike on Feb 12, 2013 0:05:38 GMT -5
Sadly, I feel you will never seen much in the way of take it out of the box and run it commuter models produced. The variations in equipment between commuter agencies, even within the same agency is vast. There really is no "standard" piece of commuter equipment when you start to look into the details. Most (I didn't say all.....there are exceptions) commuter locos are rebuilds of some type, or one off type locomotives, captive to a particular agency or area of the country, not lending themselves to many roadnames option for the manufacturer. Athearn tried with the F59PHI, but in the end wound up making many fantasy roadnames just to sell more models. What else is there, the F40PH.....even those did vary from agency to agency in details. The MP36PH-whateveryouwanttocallit hasn't shown up yet. Correct cars are another story all together. The picture of RTR commuter models has improved in recent years. In HO, the models mentioned from Kato and Walthers have been a hit with Midwest modelers. The Walthers Comet 2 cars (not bad for the price, really) were big when they were released in 1994. The Athearn models are nice and fill some other gaps. Con-Cor's new P54 and MP54 models fill a big gap for early commuter and NEC modeling. There have been some new releases in O and N, too, though I am not sure how you all feel about the Lionel M7 cars. As far as the future goes, I can say that there are a few models planned in HO and I know the subjects because I helped with some of the reference information. If they actually come to fruition, they will make more than a few people happy. We're talking plastic here, not resin! The bigger model companies are looking for different things to do as it seems we CAN have too many F unit models! The limiting factor is the market. Commuter modeling in particular has always been a limited market and you just will never see the variety in RTR plastic as you would see with, say, freight cars. If you understand how these models are produced, and in particular how much they cost to produce, you will understand why this is the current reality. Still, there is some hope, as I mentioned! Mike Bartel IHP ihphobby.tripod.com
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Post by ihphobbymike on Feb 12, 2013 0:07:29 GMT -5
OOPS,Got those two mixed up,but we're all human. Bachmann has a Bi-Level coach in their line up, in production,but not sure what it was based on It could pass as a C-3 coach, NJT Multi,or a MARC bi-level coach. It's based on a Chinese commuter prototype. You're right, though, some paint and a few decals and it's an acceptable stand-in for some Eastern bilevels. Mike Bartel IHP ihphobby.tripod.com
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Post by islandmodelworks on Feb 21, 2013 13:41:41 GMT -5
IMW still encourages the use of a RDC drive to run the models. It's not a matter of encouraging the use of the old RDC drives Chris, it's a matter of some older models that were designed to use that drive as nothing else was available at the time. All of our newer models are designed to use the Stanton drive from NWSL, and the older models can be adapted to work with them as well. The Stanton is but one of several options available to the modeler today. Hollywood Foundry now offers their Diablo drive with 8"-6" wheelbases as a more powerful alternative to the power truck.
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Post by antoniofp45 on Dec 31, 2015 22:52:35 GMT -5
Well, it's official that we should be seeing stainless steel New Haven 8600's in the not too distant future! Since they're being produced by Rapido, we know that they're going to be top of the line!
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Post by backshophoss on Feb 27, 2017 20:21:13 GMT -5
Just glanced thru the 2016 and 2017 Bachmann catalogs,you can pull a .pdf version of the 2017 can be downloaded at the Bachmann web site. This is what I noticed, The Acela trainset is still offered,NO seperate sale items. The E-60 CP is still offered,#976 in ph II,#978 in ph III The GG-1 in the "bloody nose(ph I) in sound and non sound versions(DCC Ready) The ex ATSF "Big Dome" in ATSF,phI and phIII versions,along with GN and NS Biz Fleet versions. NEW,the ACS-64, #600(Flag Demo),# 609(ph V),#617(ph V)and #642(veterans unit) reported MSRP of $ 349.00 The PCC cars with sound,NJT and SEPTA,and some earlier schemes Some new versions of the CRC cars used in Alaska The Chinese prototype Bi-levels and Amfleet I's are NO longer offered The Amtrak GP 40 in ph III is NO longer offered Any discusion about Bachmann's MSRP policy will be done in the CREW LOUNGE Area
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