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Post by backshophoss on Aug 23, 2013 19:05:18 GMT -5
There're times when Amtrak follows "traditional" method of
power,baggage,coaches,diner,lounge,sleepers,with the once
in a while private car(s) bringing up the markers.
At other times,it's reversed,power,baggage,sleepers,lounge,
diner,coaches,then any private cars(if any) on the rear.
Keep it simple for now, ie,baggage,dorm,coach,lounge,diner,
and sleeper.
As for "fleet" types,Heritage,Amfleet,Horizon,Superliner,
and Surfliner.
Pre-Head end Power era(steam heat),please use the term
"Original"
Known train "name" and #'s will help.
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Post by backshophoss on Aug 23, 2013 20:01:58 GMT -5
To start this off,I will start with a pair of consists noticed near Paso Robles Ca a few years back: All Superliner except as noted #11 SB Coast Starlight Power(2) Baggage Sleeper Sleeper Sleeper Lounge  Diner Lounge Coach Coach Coach #14 NB Coast Starlight Power(2) Baggage(Heritige) Sleeper Sleeper Sleeper Lounge(Heritiage,El Cap) Diner Lounge Coach Coach Coach Private Car(ex Santa Fe HW Business)  |
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Post by backshophoss on Oct 14, 2013 15:03:28 GMT -5
Guys,to head off confusion,now that the 2nd gen Viewliners are about to go online, 1st gen Viewliners = V I, 2nd Gen Viewliners ,aka Viewliner II's = V II. In some of the prototype(Amtrak) forums, the "Viewliner II" tag seems to be a "given".  This follows what was done with the 2 generations of Superliners, Superliner I's for 1st gen,Superliner II's for 2nd gen |
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Post by backshophoss on Oct 29, 2013 16:10:29 GMT -5
Around this time of the year,Amtrak starts asking some of
Commuter Operators if they are willing to lease some of their
equipment for Holiday season extra trains(normally around
oct for Thanksgiving).
Amtrak is known to lease a couple of NJT Arrow II sets for NEC use,
Has used in the past MNR comet sets to ALB while still in GCT,
1 MBTA set between Boston-New Haven,possibly from Caltrain
(JPBX,"Baby Bullet"set)for Oakland- Sacramento service,
possibly 1 Metrolink(SCAX) set between LA and San Diego.
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Post by acelaphillies on Oct 30, 2013 13:41:28 GMT -5
Around this time of the year,Amtrak starts asking some of Commuter Operators if they are willing to lease some of their equipment for Holiday season extra trains(normally around oct for Thanksgiving). Amtrak is known to lease a couple of NJT Arrow II sets for NEC use, Has used in the past MNR comet sets to ALB while still in GCT, 1 MBTA set between Boston-New Haven,possibly from Caltrain (JPBX,"Baby Bullet"set)for Oakland- Sacramento service, possibly 1 a Metrolink(SCAX) set between LA and San Diego. In more recent years Amtrak has leased two sets of Arrow III's from NJ Transit, and two trains from MARC. They use these on the Sunday after Thanksgiving. The MARC trains consist of a MARC HHP-8 and single level cars, to which Amtrak adds an Amfleet I cafe. The Arrow III's have no cafe service. Last year Amtrak also leased VIA Rail equipment for use on trains after Hurricane Sandy. |
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Post by cab4 on Mar 22, 2014 0:30:25 GMT -5
If you model the past, there are three good books with consist information.
"Passenger Trains Consists of the 1970s" is a good start for anything pre-1975. It give specific road names and numbers, and the dates and where the train was spotted, which way it was going. It covers a sampling of trains across the US, mostly early Amtrak consists.
The next best one is "Amtrak Annual 1978-1979" This one lists the consist of almost every major Amtrak train (its possible they left some of the NEC trains out, but most of those are there too). These consists are more generic, but the book also included an Amtrak roster and car and locomotive assignments for February 1977. So, when the book says "slumber coach" on the Broadway Limited, the book says the train is based in Chicago, and you just find a slumber coach assigned to the Chicago pool (incidentally, the Walthers 24-8 cars are perfect), and now you can have a reasonably possible amtrak consist.
The third book, "Delware Valley Rails", is really only good for the late 70s in the Philadelphia area. The book is fantastic, but it also includes some Amtrak consists with car numbers, dates and directions. If the train passed through Philadelphia, there is likely at least one consist recorded.
While we are talking about leased Arrows, Arrow IIs were leased by Amtrak from mid 1978 all the way until 1983. Amtrak initially assigned them to MARC trains, and then used them for off-peak clockers, Harrisburg-Philadelphia trains, and for a short time, on a train called the "Chesepeake" (Arrow IIIs were also leased for this short lived Baltimore-Philadelphia train).
Apparently, the Arrow IIs were so beat up from this service that NJ Transit HAD to rebuild them. They never really recovered from the abuse by amtrak, and that is why they were retired so long ago, despite being barely older than the Arrow IIIs (and at least as old as the Silverliner IVs).
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Post by acelaphillies on Mar 22, 2014 9:09:20 GMT -5
The next best one is "Amtrak Annual 1978-1979" This one lists the consist of almost every major Amtrak train (its possible they left some of the NEC trains out, but most of those are there too). These consists are more generic, but the book also included an Amtrak roster and car and locomotive assignments for February 1977. So, when the book says "slumber coach" on the Broadway Limited, the book says the train is based in Chicago, and you just find a slumber coach assigned to the Chicago pool (incidentally, the Walthers 24-8 cars are perfect), and now you can have a reasonably possible amtrak consist. The third book, "Delware Valley Rails", is really only good for the late 70s in the Philadelphia area. The book is fantastic, but it also includes some Amtrak consists with car numbers, dates and directions. If the train passed through Philadelphia, there is likely at least one consist recorded. Wow, I never realized how involved research was for you guys that model the past. A nice thing about being a modern-era modeler is that you can just go onto YouTube and see trains from any time period within the last 5-10 years. It does make me appreciate the research that you guys do. |
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Post by cab4 on Mar 22, 2014 23:40:54 GMT -5
Wow, I never realized how involved research was for you guys that model the past. A nice thing about being a modern-era modeler is that you can just go onto YouTube and see trains from any time period within the last 5-10 years. It does make me appreciate the research that you guys do. I think there are trade offs. While lately most Amtrak stuff is available, the most cutting edge modern equipment is not always readily available in model form. How long will it be until we see ACS64s in HO scale? Keep in mind, the first HO AEM7 models were mad in brass in the early 1990s, and the Atlas model didn't come out until the 2000s, 20 years after the AEM7s first arrived. |
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Post by jwb on Mar 23, 2014 14:42:12 GMT -5
Another very good source on early Amtrak is Fred Frailey's Zephyrs, Chiefs, and Other Orphans, still available used at a reasonable price: www.amazon.com/Zephyrs-Chiefs-Other-Orphans-Amtrak/dp/B0006WTC1K/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1395603476&sr=8-8&keywords=fred+frailey The really big advantage of modeling merger and transition periods -- early Conrail, early Amtrak, Penn Central, BN, etc, is that you have enormous flexibility in color schemes, era, and so forth. Early Amtrak is very interesting -- SP equipment on the Northeast Corridor, UP equipment on the Broadway, etc etc. |
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Post by acelaphillies on Mar 23, 2014 20:13:11 GMT -5
Wow, I never realized how involved research was for you guys that model the past. A nice thing about being a modern-era modeler is that you can just go onto YouTube and see trains from any time period within the last 5-10 years. It does make me appreciate the research that you guys do. I think there are trade offs. While lately most Amtrak stuff is available, the most cutting edge modern equipment is not always readily available in model form. How long will it be until we see ACS64s in HO scale? Keep in mind, the first HO AEM7 models were mad in brass in the early 1990s, and the Atlas model didn't come out until the 2000s, 20 years after the AEM7s first arrived. I agree. there are definitely trade-offs in every era. I guess that it is a factor that you need to consider when picking an era. Sometimes it makes the process more exciting though  . As for the ACS64, I heard a rumor that Siemens wants Atlas to produce it. Not sure if there is any truth in that though. Either way, it probably won't be for a while. |
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Post by backshophoss on Mar 24, 2014 21:55:39 GMT -5
This is a "wild guess",but figure on Sader-Kahn/Bachmann coming up with a "knock-off" model
by a "repaint" of a "Euro-Sprinter" type model,most of that was used as a base of the design
of the ACS-64.
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Post by cab4 on Mar 25, 2014 22:55:49 GMT -5
That wouldn't surprise me at all, but I hope they don't!
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Post by backshophoss on Mar 26, 2014 2:26:25 GMT -5
The ACS-64 is a "mix" of the Euro Sprinter/Vectron platforms,agreed that Bachmann hopefully
won't go that route,but you never know......
To Acela 82,Are there any models of the Euro Sprinter or Vectron locos released in Europe already??
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Post by backshophoss on Dec 2, 2014 3:09:45 GMT -5
Texas Eagle #22(25),the victum of a pick up truck vs P-42 (#62)"contest" at Temple Tx had the following cars in consist that day. Info per a blog entry at thundertrain.orgP-42 56(borrowed from Heartland Flyer consist)#62 was OOS at Ft Worth  39024 32050 37006 Diner 33022 Lounge 31011 Coach-Bag 34034 34092 It's possible there were 2 thru cars off the Sunset Ltd,a sleeper and a coach |
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Post by Amtrak207 on Dec 3, 2014 2:40:24 GMT -5
I should chime in here boys:
From notes:
Train #49 - Lake Shore Limited (NYP/BOS (ALB) - CHI) westbound
P42DC 191
P42DC 175 (elephant style)
1260 - Budd Baggage BOS-CHI
62004 - Viewliner I Sleeper BOS-CHI
25011 - Amfleet II Coach BOS-CHI
25072 - Amfleet II Coach BOS-CHI
28006 - Amfleet II Cafe BOS-CHI
25017 - Amfleet II Coach NYP-CHI
25120 - Amfleet II Coach NYP-CHI
25101 - Amfleet II Coach NYP-CHI
24051 - Amfleet II Coach NYP-CHI
8550 - Budd Heritage Diner NYP-CHI
62016 - Viewliner I Sleeper NYP-CHI
62038 - Viewliner I SLeeper NYP-CHI
1755 - Budd 1700-series Baggage NYP-CHI
Three Rivers (discontinued) #40 - eastbound 2/16/2000
P42DC - 37
P42DC - 79 (elephant, both in Phase III)
MHC
MHC
1700-series Baggage car
MHC
MHC
MHC
MHC
MHC
1700-series Baggage car
2446 - "Cypress Grove" Heritage 10-6 Sleeper - Phase IV
53508 - Horizon Dinette - Phase IV
25055 - Amfleet II Coach - Phase III
25049 - Amfleet II Coach - Phase III
25002 - Amfleet II Coach - Phase IV
70137 - 60' Express Boxcar (Silver - no stripe)
Roadrailer
Roadrailer
Roadrailer
Roadrailer
Roadrailer
Roadrailer
Roadrailer
Roadrailer
Roadrailer
Roadrailer
Roadrailer
Roadrailer
(yea...no joke)
Three Rivers (discontinued) #41 - westbound 5/11/2000 NYP-CHI
E60MA #602 (NYP-PHL)
P42DC #58 - Phase III
F40PH #406 - Phase IV (elephant style)
MHC
MHC
MHC
MHC
MHC
MHC
MHC
1700-series Budd Baggage car
2400 -Heritage 10/6 Sleeper "Pacific Beach"
53503 - Horizon Dinette - Phase IV
25103 - Amfleet II Coach - Phase III
25096 - Amfleet II Coach - Phase III
25010 - Amfleet II Coach - Phase IV
70162 - 60' Express Boxcar - Phase IV
Roadrailer
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1/19/2009 #29 - The Capitol Limited - westbound (WAS-CHI)
P42DC #202 Phase V
P42DC #146 Phase V (elephant style)
1165 - Budd Baggage car Phase IV
39003 - Superliner II Transition Sleeper
32044 - Superliner I Sleeper
32070 - Superliner II Sleeper "Alabama"
38050 - Superliner II Dining car
33011 - Superliner I Lounge
34034 - Superliner I Coach
34067 - Superliner I Coach
31519 - Superliner I Coach/Baggage
Tom
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